so we had a pentagon lie ace son. it got to the point we said we need a couple of f-16s they said sure. it got great. a lot of production value where it came. i think obviously they thought their public affairs and their public image through that show -- >> at the you same token i was visited by the dean of west point a few years later when there was some cry that some investigators in iraq and in afghanistan were being influenced by the content of the show and that their interrogation techniques were being informed by -- >> let me ask a question or finish your thought. >> no, i'll go back to it. >> i ask the question on the issue of terism in this country, "homeland" and "24" may or may not have had an affect on it. torture is a very, very prominent component of the show. and to what extent do you think that film and that show entered into the debate particularly under the bush administration? >> i think in "24" there was no -- the idea and it was promoted in certain articles and i think there was a con flation of po